zac in response i say; i can expand/zone out to be the donut (torus) of experience experiencing itself. But to remain both the donut and the little amber simultaneously whilst being engaged in the games that humans involve themselves in, has value. I can focus on little amber and still experience the donut but its easier to talk in terms of little amber, not in donut terms...

and my experience is that is where people are talking from on this thread.

in general, here in this place:

when i relate with others, I'm aware at times that a part of me is representing/breathing life to an aspect of a polarity that is meeting and dancing with the opposite polarity. And that seems important, like its part of our job, to allow those polarities to meet/work together in some way. In this way humans can play out separation/unity consciousness in its various forms ...male/female ..dark/light.. scissors/paper ...the void/pressurized light... and maybe find some newness.

So when people are talking about what men want/ what women want, in my case it can also be read as "these two opposites are recognizing there is space for them to relate in a more useful/new way and that is being experienced through humans"

What i got from that john wineland video is to see clearly when information is dead or alive. In this case, to me, the information feels two dimensional... delivered an "owned" way ..strangled. The "relating strategies" are another layer added over a crumbly foundation. But really, the foundation needs to appreciated, demolished and the original energy behind it all needs to come through and lead the "relating" rather than "using knowledge to relate"

thats what i got from that video :D