Conscious Sleeping

So weird I was just thinking about this yesterday and how that could really strengthen one's presence. I've dabbled in lucid dreaming and I feel practicing staying conscious while in lower brain wave frequencies would help strengthen the ability to consciously direct your energy body while sleeping. I say this because the few times I've done it I lost coherence pretty quickly and only got to try some basic maneuver before I'd fade away. But you get what you put into a thing and I had only dabbled.

I did have an interesting experience I would be grateful for insight on, that was quite similar to experiences Castaneda had during his forays into "the second attention"; I was 16 (I'm now 52) and had come home from school. The house was empty and I had been so tired I lay on the couch crossways, legs over the armrests on my back, and promptly fell asleep. This is what happened next: I hear the sound of rushing water growing louder and louder until it stops abruptly and then the crystal-clear sound of song birds chirping away loudly. There was a feeling in my body, like building pressure but it didn't hurt. I'm sure I've forgot certain details but next thing I open my "eyes" and notice the whole house is dark (the light was on while this happened). I can't move my body except for my neck so I turn to look and there is a dark figure standing in the doorway between living room and kitchen. It appears to be wearing a black Niqab. I think it was a woman because the eyes were kholed. But oh this being wasn't sending love and light my way let's just say that. I got scared and this fear turned to fight instead of flight and so i told it to "get the f@#$ out of here!" Not sure if that even helped. Next thing I snap back awake to a lighted living room sans malevolent middle Eastern person. I'm wondering who it was and if they are still around.

One of the simplest and most effective means of getting your brain ready to lucid dream, besides fully actualizing that is 😉, is stopping yourself many times throughout the day and coming into prescence and saying "I am aware that I am awake right now, and I will be aware when I'm dreaming" or to that effect. What worked most for me though was gazing with that script. Focus and prescence; two potent tools to get things done. Binaural beats designed for lucid dreaming are all over the place and I've used some that worked right away. Binaural beats have been effective for me for sleep and anxiety and are a great way to feel what it's like when you're in theta or gamma, and train yourself to get to that state just by intentioning it. I think though it would be wise to explore methods for keeping oneself protected during these forays.

As for dreams, my favourite are the right-brain dreams; expansive, timeless, free, and the delicious ecstasy of beingness, which I believe feel a lot like that SGOB. To feel like that as a default of beingness...now that would be something. But enough of euphemisms and wish-making.

Thanks for bringing this back up again; great topic and an invitation to re-explore. 🙏

Hi guys,

I’m right there with you! It’s been an issue for quite some time now. For the past 5 years I have been in extreme fatigue, although it is improving. I have had to use a lot of herbal supplements and vitamins to assist, but I realize now that all those years of resisting/overriding the soul’s real flow may have been the cause. It’s a constant conscious effort, but glad to have made the realization. I was experiencing lucid dreaming for awhile, but haven’t in the past few years. To be awake in the delta state would be most helpful.

Helene

Heyas!

Open, you said it right there with " veils have been pulled over eyes to blind people from the truth of what's really going on"

Reminds me of another dream I had not to long ago where I awoke within a dream and could not fathom why I could not open my eyes up. It was very disconcerting to me. But it reminds me too about truths and veils etc. Arent they really just nothing more than a perception that one is just not ready to know?! Or maybe I'm just doing my best to simplify my own analogy of it.

Hi Wyndè and Marije - I think this kind of 'wounding' in sleep states is very metaphorical and indicative of deep wounding in general life in the 3D - how the veils have been pulled over eyes to blind people from the truth of what's really going on.

But by bringing awareness to these things helps illuminate the darkness and integrate soul.

Marije, I'd say the snake bite to the neck refers to the attempt by OC at blocking higher mind (accessed through the throat chakra). This is very possibly being done by some interfering energy in the 3D/4D, possibly from someone around you who isn't even aware that they're doing it.

My intuition tells me it's reflecting a need to always feel the field when engaging. It's important to allow the intuition to receive the truth of energy that's being communicated, not just what is being said on one level.

Wishing you well

Open

Dreams!!

Bane of my existence, joy of my life. I dream of the future sometimes, what will happen or what is coming my way. Its not always pretty pictures and I don't always know exactly what to do with them, but I am thankful I do this. Its led me to some pretty awesome places and well.. I get to know who and or what is coming my way beforehand, Yayy. Well at least 80% of the time, its pretty cool. The other 20% is kind of like ok, not sure what to do with that other than just let it be lol!

But your dream here Marije and the snake bite remind me of a dream(s) I had a very long time ago and am still haunted by. You didn't actually wake up with any wounds on your neck did you? Being attacked by anything in a dream is just no fun, I feel for ya!!

I was shot in the back, in a dream a long time ago. I used to dream too that I was with a group of people. Until I got shot in the back, I awoke to blood soaked sheets a particle thing in my back and still have the scar to this day. I'm leaving out a ton of context, but I guess my question really is if anyone else has been literally wounded in the “spirit plane”? I don't even know what to call it, other than a kind of spirit plane. It seems most everything I read has a different name attached to things like that.

Wyndè

Hi Farzaneh,

Wow! What a fascinating experience you have had. I visited the other forum thread and read your dream, and the connections to your real life experience are amazing. I love how you turn your fear around, after falling into the hole, and decide to continue exploring the dream. If I understand correctly, that kind of fear would previously always wake you up, as a recurring pattern? To me this is a clear sign that something has shifted inside of you, and you are able to proceed more consciously, both in your dream and in your life.

For many years, I used to have this frustrating recurring dream that I was back at college lost and confused. Sometimes I had no idea which classes I was supposed to go to. Sometimes, my final exams were coming up but I had completely forgotten to attend certain classes, so I had no chance of passing my exams. Other times, I became aware of how old I was and couldn’t understand what I was still doing there and why I was never graduating. It actually wasn’t long ago that I finally stepped up in my dream and said: “This is rediculous! Tomorrow I’m going down to the school office to find out exactly what I need to do in order to graduate! Whatever class or exam I’m missing I will take it and be done with it!”

Shortly after this dream, I actually passed one of my most difficult life tests. It took me twenty hard years to crack it. But I was rewarded with my first conscious meeting with my soul family and the memory and understanding of why that test was put there in the first place.

It’s a big challenge you’re going through now, trying to find a new place in the world. All my blessings to you on your journey, Farzaneh. Godspeed!

Love,

Anastasia

Hi everyone

I really felt to share this one dream. This is a really interesting forum with many good informations about Dream. Thank you all for sharing your experiences in Openhand. I can see myself as a lucky human being. About 2 months ago I posted a dream of mine in a Spiritual Motivation - You've Arrived!

Once I saw this forum it reminded me of that dream I re-visisted the page and read my own dream again. I felt like I experienced this in a 3D and I recalled it; it was few days after this dream my husband and I traveled to see another country I had the same feelings I saw a houses with the feelings of ease and calmness. I sensed a feeling of fear in both of us, the fear of change, the fear of a new land with new people.

In a dream after I get myself out of the hole I could see people with a positive energy around them. I am not sure I catch the right signal or not but it felt right, there was a strong good energy in the air of that city. At the end of the dream I got my backpack starting a journey in the mountain road walking while the sun set.

It was magic of nature. I stopped next to few people who were also watching the sun set. I looked at that city and thought why not spending few years of my life here. In the 3D I woke up early the first day and went to the beach near by the hotel and watched the sun rises in a different land. Good feeling overall :)

I can connect all the details of the dream into this 3D that I had experienced in that trip. And I managed to do this after reading the whole thing in this forum. I can see the matching of feelings in that dream and in here.

Like what Anastasia (Hi Anastasia): " The first thing I pay attention to is if there is a strong feeling or emotion attached to the situation in the dream. Usually, this feeling will still be there when I wake up, and that’s how I know what to focus on. " I do the same thing. There were times that I could create them make them stop or just observing them not knowing that It is a dream.

Thank you once again.

Farzaneh

Hi Marye,

I'm usually well able to interpret dreams - or at least aspects of them. Over the years I've practised applying higher mind to interpret them. I'd say this is probably the most effective way to go. In the beginning, for me, I'd naturally wake up around 4am, but if you can't do this, you could set an alarm - some people go to bed setting an intention to do this. I began by simply writing in a journal on one page exactly what I remembered. But I wouldn't try to interpret until later in the day. When I then came to the journal, I'd simply right the first thing that popped into mind in relation to the dream. After a while my interpretations became increasingly accurate - they offered guidance about the direction forwards or understanding as to what had happened. These days I'm usually conscious through most dreaming.

I believe (using a higher mind approach) I can see threads in your dream. But before I share, I add the caveat that they are MY perceptions, so it's essential to process them through your own inquiry and exploration....

- "catching the plane" seems to me to be about catching the shift (into higher densities)
- "unclear signposting" usually happens because of unclear perception. So it's essential to keep working at stripping away the veils.
- the "soldiers on the tank" who helped likely mean that you have etheric support in the field to help open pathways through the density (for me that often equates to 'dragon energy'). It would be worth exploring the possibility of that connection, especially through the lower chakras - it's about how you mediate the density in one's life. When navigating the 3D path, try to feel it as much through the lower chakras as thinking it
- the "path through the jungle" likely represents 'cutting a pathway' through fixed neural pathways and conditioned thinking.
- the crocodile would represent raptor consciousness operating in the lower density. So to be mindful of how that energy would own decision making, or scare you from making the right choices.
- "white mother and daughter". I'd say this one means don't automatically trust appearances. Use discernment to penetrate through fixed perceptions and judgments.

Might OC be messing with you? Every time we go unconscious in this density, that possibility exists. But benevolence also speaks through the density. I witness that OC tends to be more literal and not that great with metaphor. Hence the guidance from benevolence often comes through in obscure form and requires higher mind to unlock the code. A few things are important to work with...

- even if you know you go unconscious when you sleep, at least set the energy field before you go to bed. So work on establishing a benevolent grid around you.
- make sure you relax as you go to sleep.
- make sure you disconnect from the technology at least a good 30 minutes before sleeping
- as you relax, work on bringing your energy from the various connections of the day back inside yourself. Work on establishing your boundaries.

I trust this helps

Open

PS - Anastasia you offered some great advice above. I can resonate pretty much with all of it.

Hi Marye,

I find dreams are invaluable tools to detect emotional themes and distortions. I have always had vivid dreams, but it’s not until this past year that I have learnt to really work with them.

I cannot interpret your dream for you, but I can share with you how I work with mine, in order to understand the underlying message.

The first thing I pay attention to is if there is a strong feeling or emotion attached to the situation in the dream. Usually, this feeling will still be there when I wake up, and that’s how I know what to focus on. For example, you mentioned the anger that you felt in the “ripping off” situation. Could you still touch this anger when you woke up?

If I can detect and identify the feeling, I stay with it and meditate on it before I get out of bed. I try to see if it reminds me of any real situations, themes, or old memories where I have felt or still feel the same feeling in my life. It can be a general theme that comes to mind or a more specific situation. It’s not so important which, because themes and situations tend to go hand in hand anyways. When I can transfer the feeling from the dream into my reality, then I start working with the images and if there are, the people in my dream. Most of the time, unless it’s a profetic or “true” dream, (in which case the rules are different), I find that the people or images represent aspects of myself. For instance, if I dream that my husband betrays me, I don’t get mad at my husband (at least not any more, haha!). Instead I try to contemplate in which way I am betraying myself. What part of me does my husband represent? So as an inquiry, you could reflect upon if the issue with the “white women” reminds you of some aspect of yourself.

If I manage to get this far, I try to put the rest of the dream into a context. I get into the details. What other interesting symbols and events are there? Perhaps there are more themes than one. Maybe more than one reaction or emotion. It becomes fun and exciting detective work, and offers a real kick when you finally solve the mystery, AND gain valuable information about yourself. You might also get a good laugh at the creativity and inventiveness that your subconscious is capable of, not to mention the lengths and loops it will go through to get you to think “outside the box”.

So, in short:

1) Identify the most prominent feeling in the dream.

2) Transfer this feeling into real life situations.

3) Translate the other role players in your dream into aspects of yourself.

4) Inspect the other aspects and details in the dream for further context and understanding.

5) Have fun with it!

Also, don’t give up too easily. It can take some work in the beginning to figure out how your dreams work for You in particular. This is only only one method I figured works very well for me.

Let me know if you get something out of it.

Love,

Anastasia

I am thrilled to be on this journey. I got bumps on my flesh (always a good sign for me!) reading your paragraph about the Openhand Approach. I am requesting the universe to provide the means for which to join in your workshops when the time and place avails itself to me. Soon! =i=

Hi MollyHelene,

Well said - I concur on your view about 4D entities - they do serve an important function in the Universe. I see them as bringing attention to that which is unconscious within us. And whilst in check, I agree, that can be a good thing. Various elements of them have clearly gotten out of balance here on Earth - which has created a cancerous breaking down situation. But the Great Realignment - the Great Shift - I know, is already resolving that.

And of course, as you rightly point out, the Merkabah is an essential element of that realignment for ascending people. In the Openhand Approach, we work to bring the spirit light body through the physical, which creates the Merkabah. I see it as merging "heaven here on earth", leading to transcendence.

You're clearly having a fascinating journey.

Open

Hi MollyHelene,

You've had some powerful traveling experiences indeed! Yes, I agree, lucid dreaming can tell us a great deal about our journey in the awakened state. Right on!

In the Openhand Approach to this, it's about transcending the density of the body to 'astral travel' (which can mean a multitude of things) rather than leaving it, which does pose a risk of allowing unwanted energies in. So relaxing through the physical opens doorways into universal travel. For me the first density links in a cycle to the 11th density and all that is encompassed within.

Nowadays I find I can travel anywhere in the Universe just by going within.

You might like to explore what happens as you focus on passing through the physical - I'd be interested in what you experience.

Much love and support

Open

I was a conscious dreamer as a child with much experience lucid dreaming. It started I believe, in part due to my laying on my back very still when it was "lights out" and I wasn't yet sleepy. Over time my body began to feel as if I was falling and rising, growing and shrinking at the same time. I would then feel an energetic "thickness" around my body; sometimes I would vibrate. I see myself falling in a tunnel where there were many doors. Some I could enter, others I couldn't, and some pulled me in. I couldn't necessarily control my dreams per se, but I learned how to ask for another door, which would usually present as a donut-shaped cloud that I could fly through to enter a different dream.

As I entered puberty, the inner awareness shifted to the outer. The lucid dreaming faded as my mind focused on other preoccupations. As I reached an older teenage year, I wanted to learn astral travel, but when practicing leaving the body I had some lower 4D experiences and visitors that I didn't want to experience again, so I stopped. However, several years later, I was camping with my sister and a friend, sleeping under the stars. They had fallen asleep and I was awake, lying on my back gazing at the milky way. I started to sense that I was on the side of a planet where in the grand scheme of things there really is no up or down, so I was looking down at the stars as much as I was looking up. When I could physically feel this, I started to hear a sound and then a "pop" like a cork being pulled out of a champagne bottle, then I "fell" out of my body and floated up towards the sky. I was elated as I didn't feel the fear that I had from those previous astral experiences. I felt connected to my body and safe. Just as I was starting to fly my sister energetically pulled me back! She had no recollection of this, lol.

Years have gone by with all of this in a chapter long passed. Now again I am practicing laying consciously, scanning the body with a loving energy and inviting the awake dreaming once more. I feel there is very important remembering that can be whispered to us when we move into dreamtime. That what we experience there is as important, if not more so, than our waking "beta" time. I feel that to learn to be conscious in both "worlds" is our birthright. I invite the dreamer to dream! =i=

x

Yesterday, it felt like torture lying on my back as if all these needles in my legs especially so on the right side. But i kept working with it, feeling through it and doing breakthrough breathing. After a while, the nervousness and discomfort have subsided so i could stay with the feeling without a need to get rid of it. Didn't get any particular emotions but at some point got slight panic as i couldn't feel my legs. It does feel heavy though and in the morning as well. At some point, i felt like turning over so i could get some sleep as i couldn't relax more. I will keep working with it. Thank you for the support, Open.

With Love
Anatoly

Hi Anatoly - greetings. My sense is that what you're experiencing is some karmic trauma from a past life, which only comes to the surface when you're not being distracted by other things.

The key is to keep working through it - keep feeling into it. Then observe what comes up. Does it feel like anxiety? Is there some degree of panic or worry? Some powerlessness?

Blessings

Open

I have been recently experimenting with conscious sleeping as I feel like i need some improvement in this area. Every time after about 30 or so minutes lying on the back, I get this nervousness throughout my whole body but mostly felt in the lower half. It is challenging to stay with this experience for long. I am trying to feel into it and relax but haven't had much success yet. I usually end up turning on my side or stomach to relieve it and fall asleep. I feel like this nervousness is related to my obsessive compulsive disorder (triggered by distortions with onset of puberty) that was most prominently present during my child and teenage years. I will keep working with this though. With Love, Anatoly

Hi Rich,

My intuition tells me that when you're partner is shouting at you, it's also possibly the distorted divine feminine shouting at the distorted divine masculine - for everything that has been done to the feminine. Sometimes it can really help for someone just to let rip. There's healing in that. But there's two things to watch for...
1. It must be noticeably healing for them - it must lead to a new shift. Or else it risks becoming a repetitive pattern of fixed neural pathways and behaviours. So it's wise to challenge the anger, but go as gently as possible.
2. Watch out for your own consciousness beginning to placate the distortion - adapting distorted behaviourisms perhaps because of fear around what the outcome might be. You can be soft, receptive and empathic (even to the shouting), but to be truly empathic, does not mean to take it on board and hold it - that's sympathetic which is highly distorted and disempowering.

Best

Open

Hi Rich,

When we truly step onto the path of our own self-realisation, it's going to test all 'norms' and ideas of what we 'should' and 'shouldn't' do. Especially in relationship.

The dull ache is the pain most people carry around, but never even feel, because they're so distracted from the inner world and full soul integration in it (the dull ache is why people need unconscious sleep). Because you've now spent concentrated time relaxing right into the inner layers, the dull ache has come into your awareness. So this is the pain and the stress you're carrying around all the time. Within those layers, will be lost fragments of soul. If you keep exploring, keep feeling in, then you'll start to reintegrate those fragments, which will invite you to start making different choices - ones that serve your soul.

And just a reminder, what serves your own soul, serves all other souls (the aligned mainstream part of them).

I'd say one of the things that's already emerging, is your own soul sovereignty within relationship. In what aspects of your life do you over compromise who you truly are?

Open

Thanks for initiating this thread Richard.

Essentially there's several points to make in terms of sleeping and what we may call conscious resting.

Generally people need to go fully to sleep because they're often not living in alignment with their soul which creates stress. So the soul practically vacates the body in order to get rest at a soul level and so the bodymind may achieve some degree of rest and recouperation. There are several problems with this: you don't necessary fully rest and rejuvenate; when the soul vacates the body (practically), other energies - like Opposing Consciousness - can come in. Implants are created and other distorting energy.

What I'm advocating is the movement towards deep consciousness resting. So basically when you go to bed, you spend your time moving consciousness around the body, giving yourself permission to let go and relax. And then to continually do this as long as you can - scanning for tightness, releasing and unwinding it.

This takes a lot of mastery, because you have to encounter things like boredom, and the challenge of simply falling asleep - going unconscious. Ultimately though, you become purely present, so time disappears and with that any boredom. It takes you into many deep states of consciousness - yes you can even enter delta states and yet still be fully conscious. Yoga nidra is a practice for this and also some particular Tibetan yoga practices.

When in these states, astral travel can really take off and lucid dreaming, where you're completely awake within the dream, which can be very healing and integrating for the soul.

I'm not saying this is easy by the way! And it will take years of practice to fully master. But there's great value in it. I'd say it's a natural state the soul yearns to move into at the right place on the path.

Namaste

Open

I recently stayed the night at the farm after working a long day. Being in a different bed with lots of loving animals around allowed me to experience some conscious resting of my body. I did actually sleep for about 4 hours but spent 3+ hours conscious with cats and dogs helping keep me present. I mostly lay still scanning the body and feeling the nudges from the animals as they took turns being in bed with me. It was a magical time and am looking forward to experiencing this more!!
Eddie

Hi Richard not sure of what help this could be. I have been aware of my dreams for a long long time, 40 plus years. I would say in the last 10 or so years I have been aware that I could somewhat control of{not a word I like to use} not the dream, but the people who are in it, to a point. I have a lot of moments of Deja vu and sometimes within a couple of days of the dream in question. I have always look at my dreams as being in a conscious rather than unconscious state of mind. For the most part it seems to me that I am the observer. There are time when I awake and can go back into the same dream. The one thing I have never tried was to be a participant rather than observer. I do know that some of the choices I make are directly influenced from the dreams I have. I can even dream of past loved one. These dreams are always happy ones and would like to think that it is where they are now and the dream brings me to that realm or dimension that they are in (Quite comforting).

You said; What if we didn't need to go unconscious but just give our bodies a period of deep relaxation? I believe that this is exactly what we are doing. Of course this is only my opinion and 2 cents worth. You see I believe that dreams are where spirits go to get out of this physical body and break free of the matrix here.

I can talk about these kind of things so easy when I am not trying to put them In written form like here.

Namaste
Charlie